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NvA: Nirvana in Fire

The first original article comparing the Novel and the Drama adaptation. This is my first attempt in translating my thoughts to words and I am also not eloquent so… Please be kind… :p

Novels vs Adaptations: Nirvana in Fire

Warning: If you have not read or watch it and do not want to see any spoilers, please do not continue to read on… This is the final warning!!!

After reading the book twice and watching the drama thrice, I thought that this would be a good comparison to start off with since I really like both of them. For the synopsis, please head to ShuShengBar or Wiki page.

Novel Plot vs Drama Plot

The plot is basically the same in the books and the drama. It is still a story of revenge, of justice, of bromance, of loyalty, of the greater good and of determination. Romance takes a backseat on this drama. Basically it is telling the journey of how Lin Shu, under the alias of Mei Chang Shu (who went under another alias of Su Zhe), seek revenge of those who frame him and his family as traitors 12 years ago. He also work to get his then best friend to the throne since he would be the best person to inherit the throne (the crown prince and the next contender are corrupted and only think of their own interest instead of the nation). The ending in the drama and the novel remained the same which is consistent to the characters. Major spoiler: Lin Shu aka Mei Chang Shu decided not to live a longer life but took a medication to give him a normal healthy and fit body for 3 months to fight a war so that he can defeat the enemies and protect the nation, after which he died off screen.

I believe the main reason why the drama storyline could remain so faithful to the novel was that the writer is also the screenwriter of the drama. He did a very good job in weaving all the plots and schemes. The story sounds like a typical one where it is indicated that the main character suffered for countless number of years and have decided to seek revenge and right the wrongs. But the execution was done much better than all of those type of dramas or story, here you can tell that Mei Chang Su really put in a lot of effort in gathering information about the people he will be taking down and how he work the constantly moving situations by manipulating key figures just enough for them to formulate a way of getting rid of those he wants to be gotten rid.

To further elaborate, at the start of the drama the entire court was divided into two political parties, one with the crown prince and one with the Jing Yu. Crown prince camp consist of Xie Yu (a military Marquis in charge of the safety in the capital), the Ministry of Rites, the Minister of the Defence and the Finance Ministry. Jing Yu’s camp consist of another Marquis who has military power, the Ministry of Personnels, Ministry of Justice and Ministry of Public Works. Before Mei Chang Su enter the capital, he got rid of the Marquis in Jing Yu’s camp and still manage to sell to Jing Yu that he is collaborating with him. Then he got rid of the Finance Minister when Jing Rui accidentally found skeletons in a dried up well in Mei Chang Su newly bought estate. Then next was the Minister of Rites through winning an debate of sorts and then the Minister of Justice and Personnel who stupidly dug their own grave. Mei Chang Su leak out the info to the opposing camp and thus able to kill two birds with one stone and kill with a borrowed knife. Then he got remove Xie Yu from power before working on removing the crown prince, Jing Yu and Xia Jiang away.

And THAT is just the main plot! All between it, there are so many on-going situations that could easily derail the plan but he turn EVERY situation around. Like when the crown prince and his mother planned to get Ni Huang ‘raped’ which Mei Chang Su spoilt their plans without getting directly involved. Or how he got Ting Sheng out from the being one of the slaves in the Palace. Or how he analyse the little information he has and decipher the plans of Marquis Yan. And how he actually plan to resist against Jing Yu when he rebelled and sent forces to kill the Emperor and frame Jing Yan. And my favourite arc was how he manage to rescue Wei Zeng from Xia Jiang but instead of having the arrow pointing at him and Jing Yan, it ended up as Xia Jiang and Jing Yu receiving the blame instead.

The novel and drama is smartly written and as the audience I am happy that the drama turns out exactly like the book but more fleshed out. There is no useless scenes or meaningless conversation. Every single information that is given will be used by Mei Chang Su to turn the table around.

Characters vs Actors

As you can tell from the plot twists, the book is not exactly the easiest book to read in addition to the tons of characters. Its actually hard to track of all the characters of the book since many have small roles and would only appear in a few scenes. I omitted some characters from my memory since they do not serve much to the plot. Thus when watching the drama, I have no complaints when I realised that drama have killed a number of small characters and merged their lines to other characters. Some of the minor characters gone were the Xie family youngest son (his lines were merged to Xie Bi’s) and the Zhou family only daughter (which is engaged to Xie Bi). It is a good call since audiences will feel confuse to the many faces on screen.

One of the supporting character that was missing in the drama was Nie Duo but his disappearance was done for a purpose. He is the younger brother of Nie Feng and in the novel, he and Ni Huang were in love. It was some sort of forbidden as Ni Huang is technically still engage with Xiao Shu (aka Mei Chang Su) and Nie Duo is one of Mei Chang Su’s current subordinates (also one of his generals when he was Xiao Shu). His removal meant that the ill-fated romance between Ni Huang and Mei Chang Su could be amped up to draw in the female crowd. I am actually sold on the romance and even though I knew what the ending was, I was still damn upset that they did not end up together. Mei Chang Su can’t just have a break and live his life happily. He just keep choosing the nation over everything even his life.

Usually the actors or actresses will not be able to portray the depth of the character as well as how the writer describe in the novel and we would be lucky if we watch a drama or movie adaptation that have leads that could portray more than 70% of what the novel describe. However, in this drama, everyone portrayed their characters perfectly. EVERYONE! From the leading cast (Hu Ge as Mei Chang Su; Liu Tao As Ni Huang; Wang Kai as Jing Yan) to the minor characters (Tong Lu and Prince Ji) played their roles very convincing that now I can only remember the roles they played in Nirvana in Fire and not their previous works. It is very amazing because this writer did not really penned down much of the feelings that the actors/actress is portraying. The actors brought it out all on their own.

The longing between Mei Chang Su and Ni Huang can be seen when they are thinking of one another and Ni Huang confront Mei Chang Su about his Lin Shu identity, she broke down and hugged him. Mei Chang Su who has been suppressing himself for so long hugged her back and one can tell that he really wanted to go back to his true identity to be with Ni Huang but unable to do so. And there was one part where he was staring at the lantern thinking about the past where a younger Ni Huang hung a similar one, the present Ni Huang appeared and even though it was subtle, Hu Ge was able to express the surprise and happiness through that one look when he saw her. This is Hu Ge’s best work. Period. The Disguiser (aired before Nirvana in Fire) or Happy Times (aired shortly after Nirvana in Fire) is not comparable to this.

Every single time when Jing Yan when he thinks of Xiao Shu, my heart breaks with him. Xiao Shu is not only his best friend, they are like brothers. Even though the other character in the book or drama mention that he is a stick in the mud but I felt that that is what made him endearing. The writer also wrote how fiercely protective Jing Yan is to Xiao Shu things, in the drama it was the bow and the pearl as big as an egg which Jing Yan promise to bring back for Xiao Shu. The book talks about this shared pet wolf they have which Jing Yan took great care of. The wolf is only on friendly terms with Jing Yan and Xiao Shu but too bad every time that Mei Chang Shu has an interaction with the wolf, Jing Yan is not around else he would have guessed that he was Xiao Shu faster. Wang Kai, to me a relatively new actor since I do not see him on screen before, is able to portray how much he misses his friend. When Jing Yan saw Mei Chang Shu doing something that reminds him of Lin Shu, you can see Jing Yan fell into a daze, like for that moment he is seeing Lin Shu doing the same thing in front of him.

Side topic: The book describe how the wolf and Fei Liu became friends with one another, through a game… Fei Liu bite the wolf then the wolf will have to bite him back then he will bite the wolf back again… Both of them will keep doing that till Mei Chang Su stop them which they will stop like errant kids and they will try to continue when Mei Chang Su turn his head. So adorable.

Other fantastic acting… The portrayal of Fei Liu’s innocence by Wu Lei, Guo Xiao Ran acting as the seemingly happy go lucky Yu Jin who is trying to cover up his loneliness and more… Even the so call “evil” characters are not that much of a villain. I got it why Xia Jiang did what he did and also understood why the crown prince and Jing Yu view things differently from Jing Yan and could make decisions to sacrifice lives of the innocent to attain their goal. Of course, understanding where they are coming from would not mean that I approve of their actions.

Missing and Additional Scenes

There are one or two missing scenes in the drama but it did not affect the overall storyline. The drama however intensify the fight between Mei Chang Su (and Jing Yan) and Xia Jiang which I totally love it! The drama further delved into Xia Jiang background to how he was capture and then how he continue to cunningly plot against Jing Yan (who at that time became the crown prince) by planting a seed of doubt in the emperor’s mind. Its very well done! The book totally skip that area and only mention that he is captured.

Another scene was that when the emperor know that Mei Chang Su was Xiao Shu, at the last confrontation he threaten him saying that he will never be able to return as Xiao Shu and he was surprise that Mei Chang Su agreed to that and the other conditions. Finally when Mei Chang Su left, the emperor broke down and went on his knees saying that he misses him and the times they spent together, where the emperor taught him to fly a kite and stuff. Mei Chang Su did not turn around or forgive him and walked away like a boss. Personally it felt good to see Mei Chang Su not giving the time of the day to the emperor when he talk about family with him (technically he is his material uncle) and I needed to see the emperor regretting it even though he will still do it if he was in the same position again.

The two things in the entire drama that could have added scenes were the reveal and also the elaboration of Rankings of Lang Ya.

One major difference there was between the novel and the drama was how was Mei Chang Su real identity (which was Xiao Shu) was known to Jing Yan. In the drama, it was when Xia Jiang confronted Mei Chang Su in front of the Emperor and Jing Yan. After which Jing Yan had a look of disbelief which verified that he did not know about it in which the Emperor then believe that Mei Chang Su is not Xiao Shu. It was only after that entire interrogation and when Jing Yan went to his mother’s palace that he broke down. He was upset that everyone knew and did not tell him about it and he also blame himself for not recognising that Mei Chang Su is Xiao Shu (great acting by Wang Kai as he express his grief so well).

However in the book, Jing Yan only knew it when Yan Que (Marquise Yan) mention that when he and General Lin was roaming Jiang Hu they both took up fake names so that no one will know their true identities. Upon probing, Yan Que made fun of the late General Lin as he pointed a tree and name himself after it thus becoming “Mei Shi Nan”. Recalling an incident where both his mother and Mei Chang Shu mention that they knew one another as Mei Chang Su’s father saved Jin Yan’s mother and both of them confirm the name, Jing Yan then ignored his guests and race over to Mei Chang Su but he stopped on the way there saying that since Xiao Shu does’t want him to know he will then not disclose that he knew.

Both reveals are actually not bad in terms of how the story flows but I felt that the book was actually better as it does provide indication that Jing Yan is very observant and actually find it out for himself instead of having someone saying it out. It also covers one more area which should be included in the drama. The part where Mei Chang Su finally realise that Jing Yan knows that he is Xiao Shu. This was totally removed in the drama reveal, since both of them were there when his identity of Xiao Shu was mentioned. In the novel however, when both of them was in a discussion with two other officials, Mei Chang Su absent-mindedly picked up a snack that he is allergic to and just as he was about to put it in his mouth, Jing Yan, who was watching him, quickly ran over to him and reach out to knocked it out of his hand. Everyone present was shocked and Jing Yan’s excuse was that the snack has been left out for a long time and has spoilt but Mei Chang Su knew that Jing Yan knew his true identity.

Another thing that could be better was the elaboration of Rankings of Lang Ya. The English title of the book and drama is Nirvana in Fire but the Chinese title is Lang Ya Bang, which direct translation is the Rankings of Lang Ya. I felt that the entire 54 episodes, the drama mentioned it so many times but I was disappointed that it did not elaborate how it come about.

The drama mention that Lang Ya Hall is in the business of answering questions and how does the process works. There is no question they cannot answer, it is the matter of if the person who pose the question can afford to pay for the answer. Thus when the then crown prince and Jing Huan went to ask the question of how to attain the throne, the answer was to enlist the help of Mei Chang Su.

On a yearly basis, Lang Ya Hall will do a service to the entire Jiang Hu by disclosing lists of top tens, its like a give back to Jiang Hu after earning their money. It’s like the modern day top ten lists from Forbes.

  • Top 10 beauties (must be single) : [Novel] Yun Piao Meng (Was ranked since she was 18 years old to almost 30 years old, One sided love of Jing Rui, who then married Wei Zheng on that year of the story started)
  • Top 10 gentlemen (must be single) : [Novel] Rank 1 – Mei Chang Su; Rank 2 – Xiao Jing Rui; Rank 10 – Yan Yu Jin (he was only ranked at no. 10 on the year the story started)
  • Top 10 ranks of people with high levels of Martial Arts : [Novel] Rank 2 – Meng Zi; [Drama] Rank 4 Zhou Ding Feng (one of Jing Rui’s father); If I am not wrong, Ni Huang is the only female that is ranked inside but I am not sure of her actual rank
  • Top 10 richest and most powerful : [Drama] Rank 7 – King of Medicine Su Tian Su (adopted father of Wei Zheng)
  • Top 10 pugilists sect : [Novel] Jiang Zuo Alliance which was lead by Mei Chang Su has been ranked no. 1 for numerous years

Of these 5 lists, people tend to focus on the list of beauties and best martial arts and no one really bothered about the gentlemen list at all. [Novel] Yan Yu Jin was upset because its his first time being ranked and Xie Bi poked fun of him saying that most probably the next year he will be dropped off the list.

The list is consolidated by Lang Ya Hall’s masters and it only covers people that they seen or skills that they have witness. This meant that if there is someone with very high martial arts that were practised but he or she  never showed the skills off or participated in a competition then they will not be included at all.

Having this up will help educate the audience what is it all the ranking of Lang Ya about since it is referred so many times in the drama… It is even the title of the show for goodness sake! I had to briefly explain to those who watched it upon my recommendation.

Final Verdict

Both the drama and the book is fantastic! This is one of the best novel adaptation I have ever seen. Usually the adaptation will not be able to grasp the intensity or the flow of the storyline as well as the novel but for Nirvana in Fire is it different. Both of it is equally great! I was not disappointed when I read the novel or watch the drama.

A major plus point was that every single scene is tastefully decorated. The scenery and landscape are perfectly shot like we are watching a movie and every single frame, the camera was place in the perfect place to showcase the story and characters. The glamour and grandness of the set was not in your face but you can tell how grand it was. I also like the polished look of the entire show as it does not have much noises in the picture (not sure how to describe it but I am sure there is a technical term for it). The colours used are all muted as in they are not striking for you to focus on them instead of the actors but they are very detailed if one where to pay attention to it.

If you have only time to read one novel and watch one drama this year. This is the best drama and novel to pick up. I put my kdrama watching on hold to watch the entire 54 episodes and it is worth it.

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22 thoughts on “NvA: Nirvana in Fire

  1. eenice on said:

    ^^^^ agreed, agreed and AGREED! 🙂 Such awesome pieces (book/drama) of work!

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  2. Lolli on said:

    Totally loved the drama!!!! Became a Hu Ge fan after this drama lol. I also really liked all the other actors and actresses too. Too bad the only way I can read the novel is thru Google translate T.T

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    • zazajunnie on said:

      The drama was fantastic!!! I did not know that Hu Ge (and the rest of the cast) could act so well… In my opinion Google translate could do no justice to the novel but it is better than nothing…

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  3. Grenn on said:

    I haven’t read the novel yet, but just with the drama, I was totally blow away by the acting most of the actors. Hu Ge was really magnificent being able to pull out so much emotions without much movements since he portrayed an ill person.

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  4. Sian on said:

    Wow, I’m so glad that you took the time to write a comparison on the book and the drama versions. I didn’t read the book but I watched the drama three times. I usually don’t like watching Mainland drama as they are long and the plots are ridiculously not believable and plain crazy. So it took me a while to actually decide to give this drama a try. I knew going in that this would be a sad ending as I read the synopsis along with the comments that people wrote in shu sheng bar. I also remembered that Hoju (the person who wrote the synopsis) said the same thing that if she could only read one book, she would definitely read this book. With that said, I delved into the drama out of curiosity. Again 54 episodes drama is never my cup of tea. I also never like palace politic type drama (read concubines fighting for the emperors’ affection 🙀) So I watched episode 1 with a lot of grain of salt so to speak. I literally couldn’t stop hitting the next chapter button. Oh my gosh, that was how good this drama was. So I also told my best friend to watch this drama. She’s the same as me as we don’t usually like to watch 54 episodes mainland drama that has anything to do with palace politics. She loves it too so we both ended up watching the drama two or three times and discussing it in details. Hahaha…

    I’ve watched Hu Ge in a few of his dramas and I think he’s an above average actor but there was something missing in his acting in his previous dramas. Boy, he nailed it as Mei Chang Su/Lin Shu/Su Zhe. Awesome acting… Rather than Hu Ge, I pretty much didn’t know anybody else but was quite impressed with all the actors and actresses too. I became a fan of Wang Kai after watching his only drama. I love Liu Tao as Ni Huang. Fei Liu became my favorite young actor. The way he was fighting with Meng Zi was just sooo cute. After watching this drama, I couldn’t even watch any more drama because I always compared it to the quality of this amazing drama!!

    So anyway, this comment is already so long. I just want to take the time to thank you for taking a time to write this. Very well thought!!
    By the way, I’ve been lurking your blog for a while now. I like the way you translate the book 3 of the mistaken marriage series. I haven’t written any comment as I’m trying to decide if I should follow this book along now or trying to finish reading the Zhuo Qing and Lou Xi Yan’s story first. 😜 Thank you for your hard work!!

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    • zazajunnie on said:

      I also recommend this drama to all my friends. I dropped a couple of dramas after this cause it is far lacking than this. Glad I am not the only one doing it! 😛

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  5. sayume on said:

    Thanks for writing a review. I just watched the drama, though I haven’t read the book, and I might not even get to it since you’re saying it’s pretty much the same.

    zazajunnie, is it OK to ask you a question about the Chinese ‘Xiao’? From reading some C-novels and watching C-dramas, I’ve noticed Xiao means something similar to ‘little’, a form of endearment, but Jingrui is often called Xiao Jingrui, even in the Langya records, but it’s not his family name by either of his two families, right?? Is it a different character for ‘xiao’ with the same pronunciation or transliteration then? I’m a bit confused. Maybe I’ve been wrong for a long time to consider ‘Xiao’ to mean ‘little’….

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    • No pro, its a question I can answer… 😛
      Usually Xiao-(something) means Little (something) and its usually used as a nickname of something.

      But in the drama & novel, Xiao Jingrui is a little different because of his history. First of all this Xiao is a different character from Xiao (little). Pronunciation of it is in the 1st sound/tone but Xiao(little) is in 3rd sound/tone. The Imperial family surname is Xiao, so Prince Jing = Xiao Jingyan, ex-Crown Prince = Xiao Jingxuan, Prince Yu = Xiao Jinghuan.

      2nd reason why only Jingrui have that surname unlike both of families is because when he was born he was ‘mixed up’ with another baby and no one knew whose child he belonged to. To make the situation worse, the other child died after a day? of the mixup. So both family argued that baby Jingrui belongs to them and as the Xie family is related to the Emperor (the Princess married into the Xie family), both family come to an agreement that the Emperor will decide for them. To avoid conflict from Jianghu and Imperial court, the Emperor say that the baby will be named accordingly to how Imperial princes will be named (thus taking the ‘Xiao’ surname and his name is ‘Jing’ something like the rest of the princes name) and he will have 2 families, which he will spend a period of time with both family. Even he is considered the oldest child in the Xie family, he will not be the heir apparent as he does not carry the Xie family name, thus Xie Bi (his younger bro) is the heir apparent of the Xie family.

      Does this explains? I hope I make sense… Do ask me if any of my explanation is still not clear…

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  6. sayume on said:

    Ahh… Yes, that explains it. I had seen the Princes’ surname Xiao too, but I wasn’t sure if it was the same character for their name, especially since, though Jingrui is a child of both families, he isn’t recognized as a Prince.

    This was very helpful and clear. Thanks a ton for taking time in writing such a comprehensive answer! You rock. 🙂

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  7. Angie Wong on said:

    I really enjoy reading your column – very detailed and informative.
    Could you please explain the Final Episode last scene where Fei Liu made tea and a hand came from behind a screen to take the tea cup.
    Does that give us hope that Mei Changsu did not die.

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    • Thanks for your support!

      That scene was a deleted scene from the drama. It indicated that he did not die and was recovering. But I understand that the director/production team decided to remove it from the drama as it would not be in sync with the novel and Mei Chang Su character.

      The novel does not have the scene and it seems that he truly died. 😦 Its a sad ending but it stays true to the character… BUT drama viewers who are in denial (like me) will at least have a hope with the deleted scene that he is off somewhere healing…

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  8. hi, may I know where you read the novel(in Chinese) from? I been searching for it but I haven’t been able to find it anywhere…

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  9. This was a really good post, thanks for the explanation, especially about the Lang Ya rankings. When i was watching the drama at first it was confusing. I thought it was some sort of university heh or monastery.

    One thing i realised while watching the drama was that technically alot of the characters were related. I didnt even realise that Mei Changsu’s mother was the emperor’s sister til towards the end, which makes the emperor his uncle, and by that Jingyan his cousin. Also, this makes Jingrui and Mei Changsu cousins as well, and Tingsheng his nephew. Am i correct? figuring out how everyone were related to each other definitely gave me abit of a headache, especially since this was my first chinese drama and i’m not really used to the names so at first i kept on confusing everyone’s names, because alot of characters had the names ‘xiao-‘ and ‘jing-‘
    This also made me wonder, if the emperor is mei changsu’s uncle, does that make princess Nihuang his cousin?

    A quick question, does the novel talk about the side character at the end after mei changsu dies, like what happens to the emperor?i assume he dies since in the drama you see jingyan as emperor but does the old one show regret for his actions? what about fei liu, lin chen and the people under lin shu, as well as the other characters who lived in the capital, does the novel mention what happens to them?

    Sorry for the long comment! just finished the drama for the 2nd time and it got me all giddy again. i swear, 54 eps is not enough!

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    • Yes, JingRui and Mei Changes are cousins but NiHuang may be a distant cousin cause even though she is a Princess, her family is like the lord over at YunNan and the drama did no indicate if she was related to the royal family or if it was a conferred Princeship for her entire family 🙂

      If I remember correctly the emperor abdicates and after a year died. So JingYan ascended to the throne even when his dad is alive. I cannot remember what was the other characters were doing or end up with cause I was still upset with Meichangsu dying.. 😦

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      • Yeah same here i was absolutely gutted when it was implied that he died. Part of me was like noooo but at the same time i understood why Mei Chang su as a character would have wanted to fight. Of course if it were up to me he would have gone on that planned field trip with his friends hehe.

        Thanks for clearing up what happened with the emperor. I swear that last scene between the emperor and Mei Chang Su really got to me. Oh and thanks again for comparing differences between book and drama…I agree with what you said, his identity reveal in the book was way more epic than the drama, but hey, that doesn’t make the drama any less bad!

        lol enough rambling…hope you have a nice day and weekend 🙂

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  10. Jerry Zhang on said:

    Does anyone know what happened to fei liu? After mei dies i cant imagine what he wouldve gone through 😦

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  11. Will there be any chance of a translation of this wonderful tale to share with us, the non mandarin reading fans?

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